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  "map_content": "Equitable Restoration Thread\r\n(And, correcting the strawman theories.)\r\n\r\nRoberts v Hopwood [1925]: Lord Atkinson stated: 'A body administering funds contributed by others owes a duty to administer them in a businesslike manner with due regard to those contributors, standing \"somewhat in the position of trustees.'\r\nNot a trustee precisely. But close, falls short in some way(s).\r\nEvidences that there is a distinction being made in the highest courts between what even Equity describes as a Trustee, thus a Trust, and the \"fiduciary like\" duties of public officers. The latter being duties arising in the ordinary parlance of \"I trust you\" as opposed to an arrangement that is classified as a \"Trust\".",
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  "map_content": "Attachment \u201cby operation of law\u201d is a presumptive administrative state. \r\nFull accountability requires full restoration.\r\nThe conscientious inquiry must look behind that attachment to identify the underlying substantive relationship, obligation, harm, reciprocal performance and equitable remedy. \r\nOnly then can it be determined whether the administrative conclusion is duly in order.\r\n\r\nThe presumptions and then \"operation of law\" has come into effect to slowly over time water down Proof to Presumption and further to Registration, automatic attachment and administrative enforcement. Each step reduces the evidence required.\r\n\r\nThis is not necessarily \"improper\", though as this process advances, the probability of injustice grows. Like the currency system with all the leverage and alike has similarity to a ponzi scheme (if it is not one) compared to a biblically robust one to one substance based monetary or bartering based system. \r\n\r\nThus these presumptions are substitutes for proof, convenient, and some are engrained - numerous methods applied in an effort to let them stand. \r\n\r\n\"Statutory Equity\" itself making more difficult the \"pulling back of the curtain\" of core attaching presumptions, though when activated, giving a greater sense of restoration.\r\n\r\nEven the court operation of only considering the controversies raised before it. This is presumptive. Genuine equity delivers complete justice, which necessitates contemplation of matters that the parties themselves had not thought to raise.\r\n\r\nAdministrative presumptions facilitate administration; they do not replace the necessity for substantive justice when their foundation is conscientiously called into question.\r\n\r\nWhen the law has evolved mechanisms that attach consequences by presumption or operation of law, what is the proper process for returning from presumption to proof when conscience requires a full accounting?\r\n\r\nDoes the office concerned owe fiduciary or fiduciary-like obligations in the exercise of the particular power being exercised? If they presume not or are allowed to presume not, do they merely tick legal boxes?\r\n\r\nBut if a fiduciary obligation exists, the analysis changes. The fiduciary is no longer simply processing records. \r\nThey must exercise judgment. They must act conscientiously. They must avoid preferring their own interests. They must consider the interests they are bound to protect. That is a fundamentally different role.\r\n\r\nWithout recognition of fiduciary obligation, the system risks becoming entirely self-referential: the register is presumed correct because the register says it is correct. A fiduciary obligation interrupts that circularity by requiring the decision-maker, where the circumstances warrant, to ask whether the underlying facts and relationships justify the administrative conclusion.\r\n\r\nFiduciary responsibility is the bridge between administration and equity. The object then is to restore the decision-making process to one in which conscience, evidence, reciprocal obligations, and substantive justice are actively considered alongside the administrative record.\r\n\r\nCreating a trust or fiduciary relationship is now far more nuanced. For there is the ordinary meaning of \"I trust you\" and the fiduciary duties that come along with that, this being the definition set in play when original government / public trust emerged. \r\n\r\nThen came classical equity which happens to have constricted \"trust\" into defined elements which are narrower than the ordinary parlance, though classical equity can still see ordinary fiduciary trust obligations if correctly framed. Some care is required.\r\n\r\nThen came statutory equity, the merger, where many equitable relief opportunities are potentially available, though, one must navigate the \"if you are relying upon statute then you must be under statute\" core capacity attachment presumptions. What precise obligation of conscience arises because of this recognised relationship which you are agreeing exists by your own acceptance of benefits conferred, what duties still bind you?",
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Brenvia treechat·2h
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  "map_content": "Maybe it is a good idea for the Gov't to hold the legal titles. Fine provided Gov't truly is following the people's righteous good faith orders too and providing for the people's requirements...\r\n\r\nAnd, if it is not, fine, Gov't had better dramatically downsize...",
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  "map_content": "But, what obligations actually already exist, hidden view a vast cess pool of filthy attachment and presumption? And Suits in Chancery does spend a lot of time on identifying the relationships that actually already exist and the obligations underlying them. For originally, the \"government\" was formed with limited functions of service to the people - ordinary parlance fiduciary trust situation. And there were many back and forth shifts, tyrants abusing their powers being ousted or bowed down to Magna Carta's and things which actually attempted to restore the ordinary fiduciary service capacity and stop the tyrannical ones.\r\n\r\nAsKing. Who has assumed responsibility? Who exercises discretion? Who controls the res? Who must account?\r\nWho can or is affecting my (or another's) interests? Who is capable of restoring the situation? Not what, who?\r\n\r\nForgiving. Light as a feather. Clean hands. It is what it is, how many of us applied for a \"drivers licence\" not knowing everything this entailed? \"But they didn't tell us\"... Hmmm, maybe, and maybe not for have you read let alone comprehended every disclosure they have ever made? Probably not possible... And, might a very efficient way to regulate a population that is largely and willingly ignorant, be their system? And might there be bad actors buried inside doing plenty of nasty stuff too, just getting away with it by taking advantage of their knowledge and relationships? Probably. But might there be good actors highly aware of God and conscientious, seeking to maximise their efforts towards accomplishing the most good (i.e. not taking on every battle under the sun as there are only so many hours in a day)? Likely too. \r\n\r\nSo, we had better forgive and seek forgiveness for we have in enormous ways contributed to our current circumstances.\r\n\r\nI willingly agree and ask to fulfill my genuine obligations / debts, please forgive my decision to be a PERSON and to worship IDOLS and everything else, I am determined to be God aligned, please restore our original relationship, complete full accounting (not merely financial) . You insist on holding the legal titles, fine by me just with our original relationship restored, the result is that you get to pay the bills and to serve me by following my good faith orders.",
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  "map_content": "Do you recall the phrase \"plausible deniability\"?\r\n\r\nPresume you want to takeover and rule the world, become the grand \"Emperor\", but you want zero to negligible bad karma or risk.\r\nWhat now does \"plausible deniability\" mean?\r\nLet's further presume you subscribe to the Oral Traditions - you believe you are superior and it is your duty to rule and to create the circumstances where the general populace is treating you as their God, yet always with \"scape goats\" so the populace is always joining \"political football teams\" that you actually control, just always blaming the other \"political football team(s)\" for everything they are miserable about, never you. \r\nAgain consistent with \"plausible deniability\".\r\nWhat of the courts?\r\nTo remain consistent with the objective, you cannot extinguish the highest lore - original equity, complete conscience, full restoration.\r\nWhat can you do?\r\nCreate all sorts of barriers and traps for unknowing people to fall into by way of their own admissions or actions, in the guise of \"ignorance of the law is no excuse\", just the \"law\" is now so complex and filled with so many land mines, that it is extremely difficult to attain \"original equity\". \r\nAnd, you are after all \"governing\" a bunch of belligerent illiterates who have now chosen a \"King\" instead of God thus are sinners and you are now obliged to do what the Torah states (incomplete law, books of Moses - Moses is depicted with Devil horns in pretty much all of the very old Churches, this is why). So, you prioritise efficiency of conviction and punishment - for they are all sinners anyway!\r\nCrucially, instead of \"crossing the line\" into subjecting the populace to involuntary servitude or subrogation, you only \"almost\" doing this. For rather, across the board, you are walking things \"up to the line\", endeavouring to get as close to it as possible, without stepping over it, and reserving \"plausible deniability\" should it be found that you have overstepped.\r\nThus, you cannot do any wrong for you will accept a \"Declaration of the Rights of the Parties\", but none of the others genuinely apply to you.\r\n\r\nSo, if everything has been \"walked up to the line\", if the good faith folk operating in accordance with the whole law (not just t the incomplete Torah books), observe or deduce that \"this is not right\", \"this is slavery\", \"this is subrogation\", \"this is corrupt\", etc. Yet the court is unable to hear this, unable to agree for it knows \"everything has been done\" in a \"plausible\" way to achieve public order amongst the sinners without crossing these lines, discussed at length in Suits in Chancery and other equitable texts. \r\n\r\nAnd the judges quite like the order and their quality of life. Plus the judge's liabilities have been greatly reduced, as it is their pseudonyms that \"cop any heat\", not usually them... Same for the politicians and the servants working for them to \"walk everything up to the line\".\r\n\r\nAnd, walking everything up to the line means extracting as much inherent right and energy as possible from the sinner population, for they deserve it. Now they can even justify to themselves poisoning the water (fluoride), injections, etc - all good for control and keeping order, besides they are sinners... \r\n\r\nRealise also that the Talmud actually demands dreadful things be inflicted onto the \"gentile\", the sinners from that perspective. A value set that is nigh impossible to comprehend for those following the complete book.\r\n\r\nWhere now is restoration left to be found? Forgiveness? Clarification of intention (no, those presumptions are false, we never meant nor realised \"that\" when we \"applied\", no I did not volunteer or gift that)? Full accounting (not just financial)? Not in partial statutory equity either - as per God's law, done in complete conscience for complete restoration!\r\n\r\nOf God, the people created Gov't to serve, not to rule over. Definitely not to extract by threatening and coercive tactics applied with \"plausible deniability\".",
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